The fact is I never expected this to happen. I never thought that I would have two women interested in me at the same time. After I first met them, I didn't pick one because I assumed that something would cause me to lose one or both so I didn't want to lose both. I thought getting as far as I did would be more difficult and take longer so by definition there would be only one woman at a time (assuming I could have even pulled that off).
I don't know which one I should dump. This weekend I have been thinking maybe I should just dump both. Not only is it an easy solution to the problem, but I having a real problem knowing that both Kristen and Rachel are lying to me. They are both lying a lot and insulting my intelligence by doing it.
Before going on I recommend everyone read this blog entry at The Better Beta about women lying since I am experiencing the same thing because this is commonplace. Some of the things Kristen and Rachel have lied to me about are:
- How many guys they have been with. Both of them have told me things along the lines of "I have been with very few guys." Kristen is 35 years old. She has easily been with 2 gazillion guys. Rachel is only 28 so probably 1.5 gazillion. Both of them said this as reasons that they did not need STD testing. Both of them claimed that clearly I have been with way more women then they have been with men because I was pushing for STD testing.
- This is the best sex of my life. Remember Kristen and Rachel aren't just saying that the sex is good. They are saying its the BEST they ever had. Both of them have been with gazillions of guys, and I, the guy who was a virgin three weeks ago, beat them all out by a wide margin. (Of course, they don't know I was a virgin a few weeks ago.) Kristen has told me she hopes the sex doesn't get any better because if it did she's worried that she would pass out from all the pleasure. Rachel told me that she has orgasmed each and every time we have had sex. Usually it takes her a while for that to happen, and it isn't consistent even then. Somehow my superior fucking has given her orgasms always each and every time. Both of them have done things that lend credence to what they say such has cooking me breakfast the morning after, but it doesn't change how unbelievable it all is. If I'm with Kristen and/or Rachel long enough I expect they will start telling me that they have multiple orgasms when I touch their shoulder.
- I have never moved this fast with a guy before. This is more Kristen than Rachel somewhat. Remember that Kristen threw herself at me on our "first date". Kristen explained this later as that she has never wanted sex as much as she has wanted it with me. As a result she couldn't "control herself". Both of them said that waiting for their STD results to come back was "torture". From my experience, there isn't anything about me that should make a woman want me that much.
- I'm willing to do things with you that I'm not willing to do with any other man. I guess my masculinity is so extreme again that Kristen and Rachel are willing to do things with me that they never would under any other circumstances. Yeah right.
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Well, if you want to push things, invite them both over at the same time and see what happens. Be totally nonchalant (it shouldn't be hard for a cold blooded reptile alien).
Common sense would tell you they would dump you then, but common sense does not go far with women.
Given these two, that could very well result in a three-way and de facto man sharing.
Maybe cold blooded reptiles are just better in bed? ;)
It's possible that you could be as good in bed as they say you are. Or like, hugely endowed. It's not that hard difficult if you know the basics. Some men try to get too fancy and ruin the experience, usually the more experienced they get.
@Talleyrand
That sounds like a recipe for getting my condo completely trashed.
@Novaseeker
I seriously doubt that.
@Hestia
Of course, that's it. Why didn't I think of that?
@sofia
How am I that good in bed? They aren't just saying I'm good. I may not be 100% sure they are being completely honest if they said that, but at least it would be reasonable. Both of them are telling me that despite being a virgin for 31 years, I'm really some sort of sex god the world has never seen in the 6000 years of the history of the human race. It's just so outlandish, and both of them keep digging the hole bigger with more and more outrageous lies. They must think I have a single digit IQ to believe such nonsense.
And trust me, I'm not hugely endowed. I'm not small, but I'm not hugely endowed either. Sofia, as a woman with experience of a hugely endowed guy, you would probably laugh at me if you saw me naked even though I'm not small.
Hey, it's isn't an experiment and it isn't science if there isn't some risk involved. Science requires that you test the limits, what matter the apartment? (Besides, why does a cold blooded reptile alien care if his apartment gets destroyed? You can just take over a more successful ape-man's apartment, zap him, and eliminate all records of his existence, and mind wipe his friends and family to forget)
Think of it this way, what ever happens when you have them both over, word will get around and then you can see if it generates more female interest or less.
(I take the position of more).
Now, in defense of the girls you're seeing. There are several aspects you're not considering.
First, what matters in their "truthiness" is not actual truth, but emotional truth. What they're saying to you is not actually you are the greatest lover in the world, what it translates to is they "feel" like you're the greatest lover.
To put it another way, you are giving enough of a mix of lover/provider signals that they are falling in love with you, at least the way they fall in love.
Second, they are cunning enough to know that people succumb to flattery, even over the top flattery.
Still invite them over together and see what happens. I will bet their love for you will be stronger, not weaker afterward.
@Talleyrand
How do you know that they're "falling in love" with me instead of say realizing they have a good opportunity of having a meal ticket? Their desire to get their claws into me (if that is their motivation) would also explain everything.
Well, then they're using hollow flattery for a reason. I have to offer some consensus with Talleyrand and say that it could be because emotionally they feel very strongly about you. Being "good" in bed is a subjective experience for a woman if she's emotionally entangled with you.
In regards to:
Sofia, as a woman with experience of a hugely endowed guy, you would probably laugh at me if you saw me naked even though I'm not small.
That's awful, in terms of self depreciation. Most of the guys I've dated have HARDLY been Casanovas. I think one of the four sex partners I've had would be considered well-endowed by popular perception.
How do you know that they're "falling in love" with me instead of say realizing they have a good opportunity of having a meal ticket?
Why so horribly cynical? (Sorry if I've missed out on this factoid previously, but how old are they?) Sometimes you can just gauge whether a woman is sincere or not by her dating history.
Most of the guys I've gone out with, for example, have been nerds, in short. But that's what I like because intellect is hugely important to me. Of my four boyfriends:
- teacher
- grad student
- something to do with corporate accounting (he made a fair bit of money, but I also didn't know this when we started dating.)
- grad student
Basically, poor. I went out on a couple dates with this corporate douchebag once, who made a lot of money, and was interested in me, but couldn't bring myself to date him because I'm a student and the financial gulf was just too much (also owing to his horrible money-driven personality).
@Sofia
Being "good" in bed is a subjective experience for a woman if she's emotionally entangled with you.
I can buy that, but how do I know whether the sex is actually good for them or not. I can't get better without some feedback from them.
That's awful, in terms of self depreciation.
I know objectively I shouldn't have anything to worry about. Here's the problem. Despite their claims, I'm sure that Kristen and Rachel have been with gazillions of guys. That means plenty of them are bigger than me. If being well endowed is so great (as you have said sofia) then don't they feel like they're missing something with me?
Why so horribly cynical?
Given how inexperienced I am at this, I have to look at this from every angle I can come up with.
More importantly, I'm too successful. As a inexperienced 31 year old virgin a month ago, I should be having more in the way of failure of some kind. I haven't just been successful. Anytime I do something in this experiment, I'm not successful. I hit the jackpot, over and over again. That shouldn't be happening. I'm not that good. I'm not sure anyone is. I have no problem with hitting the jackpot over and over again as long as the reason was clear. (This is an area where I'm more than happy to be lazy.) A short way of saying this is that if something is too good to be true, it probably is. And what is happening to me is too good to be true.
(Sorry if I've missed out on this factoid previously, but how old are they?) Sometimes you can just gauge whether a woman is sincere or not by her dating history.
Kristen is 35. Rachel is 28.
Maybe I could tell if they were being honest based on their dating history except that I'm certain they're lying about it. I'm not buying into this nonsense of how they have been with so few guys.
Maybe I could tell if they were being honest based on their dating history except that I'm certain they're lying about it. I'm not buying into this nonsense of how they have been with so few guys.
I should clarify this. It's their sexual history that I believe they're lying about, not their dating history, if that makes sense. Regardless I don't have a good handle on their dating history. I have avoided such conversations in such a way to make it look like I wasn't inexperienced before I met them.
Your knowledge of game and your gut instincts are telling you everything you need to know about these two girls.
Both are reformed party girls, each with partners that probably number well into double digits. Both are insincere and you get the feeling you can't trust what they tell you about their sexual histories (and probably other things as well). Both seem to be trying way too hard to please you. It seems obvious they have ulterior motives.
Kristen especially, at 35 years old, must be well-aware that she is rapidly running out of time to either (a) have a kid or (b) snag her Beta provider with what remains of her youth and beauty or (c) both. It would be very unusual for a woman of her age to not be worried about those things.
Rachel may be having the same issues even though she is 7 years younger. It's hard to say with the limited information you've provided but, again, trust your instincts.
What to do with Kristen and Rachel depends on what kind of a relationship you want. Want to have fun and get steady sex? Keep seeing one or both of them. But it doesn't sound like you respect these girls and if that is important to you then you may need to dump them both.
Baby rabies? How 'well endowed' is the bank balance and is it obvious? Job description compared to theirs.
Anonymous has a point. If these chicks are husband-hunting, it might be kinder to just cut them loose and let them get on with it somewhere else.
Of course they're full of shit, but there's a chance that they've convinced themselves that at least some of it is true. Women can will themselves into love, and therefore they will enjoy the sex more.
Remember, what they really fall in love with is an idea of what they want for themselves (nice house, husband with good job, etc.). When they think of those things, they can have more orgasms.
Don't let it bother you. Just enjoy yourself, and don't fall in love, because that's when the trap springs shut.
Baby rabies? How 'well endowed' is the bank balance and is it obvious? Job description compared to theirs.
This could very well be a factor in their praises of you, PM/AFT. I obviously have no way of seeing into your wallet, but from some of the comments you made on here (even before you made ones that were actually about your income), you come across as somebody who has a good handle on their finances and is clearly a man of high intellect, both of which could signal "wallet wallet wallet" to women with that sort of mentality and not somebody who just appreciates a man who is very smart.
Also, if I may be so bold to assume you are likely of higher intelligence than both these women, your intellect could play into their attraction to you. You aren't just merely their "superior" simply in being man, making more money, being physically stronger, and so forth, but also in the intellectual realm as well. This makes you more powerful than them, and likely even more attractive.
This issue is one that seems to get lost in some of the game and alpha/beta dichotomy IMHO. "Negging" a woman doesn't have to be a planned event if one is simply superior to them in the mind. I've actually wondered about how this might play into my marriage to be honest. I have an above average IQ and snooty intellectual tastes and hobbies and made it a point to find a man who was smarter than I am and wouldn't be timid of calling me out when I was wrong or telling me how stupid a certain idea of mine was. Enter my husband who is brilliant, with an IQ that rivals mine quite a bit, and I found what I was looking for. I do know at least a few other women who are the same way, looking for, or in a relationship with, their intellectual superior for the reason of being "dominated" in this regard, for lack of a better term.
On a similar note, if you are one of the more brilliant men whom these two women have been involved with, you may easily be a LOT more attractive than others in their past. If they are former party girls who hooked up with guys of bar caliber, the conversations couldn't have been anything other than vapid. ;)
"How do you know that they're "falling in love" with me instead of say realizing they have a good opportunity of having a meal ticket? Their desire to get their claws into me (if that is their motivation) would also explain everything."
It's the same thing.
"Rachel told me that she has orgasmed each and every time we have had sex. Usually it takes her a while for that to happen, and it isn't consistent even then."
Sounds authentic -- orgasm isn't always a black & white, did or didn't phenomenon for women. And unlikely Kristen (who at 35 probably does have baby rabies), she didn't sleep with you right away. I would find out more about Rachel, get an idea what kind of people her friends and family are (skanks of a feather flock together).
If she's well-educated and has a career, she may be experiencing the "priced out of the market" syndrome where decent men who are as successful as she is have more options than her. In that case, if she finds you attractive and intelligent, she might sincerely be falling in love with you.
That kind of lying is pretty harmless. Each woman may be close enough to believing it is true that there is no measurable difference between true and false.
Are they lying about anything substantial? Bank balances? Undeclared student loans? STD's? Other boyfriends that they are banging at the same time they are with you? Children from previous relationships?
But if I read between the lines correctly, the real reason you are contemplating ditching them is that you are tired of them. That is a sufficient cause alone, without looking for additional justification.
@jm_kaye
Given their ages I would suspect they're husband hunting. Of course, if we assume that the age of women I'm most likely to get involved with is between 25-30 then that means a high chance of encountering lots of husband hunting women.
@Welmer
I'm not going to be falling in love or getting married. You can take that to the bank (if you can find a solvent one).
@Hestia
There's lots of things that would scream "wallet, wallet, wallet" to a woman. There's what I do for a living, the fact that I have a security clearance (which pays a lot by itself), my condo, my car (both of which they have seen), etc. It's actually more than they're aware of since there is no way to display your 401k unlike say your car.
Also, if I may be so bold to assume you are likely of higher intelligence than both these women,
You assume correctly.
your intellect could play into their attraction to you. You aren't just merely their "superior" simply in being man, making more money, being physically stronger, and so forth, but also in the intellectual realm as well. This makes you more powerful than them, and likely even more attractive.
In principle this makes sense, but my experience says this is impossible. At least back in high school and college, the female reaction to my high intelligence would have been something along the lines of, "ewwwwwww. computer geek."
I think you're giving way too much credit to the sexual skills of the average male out there. Most guys, particularly alphas, regardless of endowment, just aren't all that interested in pleasing the woman.
How many partners? It can vary a lot, depending on how many LTRs they've had. I was off the market for 16 years. That skewed my number a lot lower than women my age. I've also known women who went years without partners in between LTRs. That said, most women know they're being judged on their number and fudge this downward.
However, the real alpha move would be to withdraw from both of them and see which of them fights the hardest to keep you.
In principle this makes sense, but my experience says this is impossible. At least back in high school and college, the female reaction to my high intelligence would have been something along the lines of, "ewwwwwww. computer geek."
True, true. :( I forget I am an oddball with a preference for computer geek types, being a girl geek myself. ;)
Something else came to mind about your situation: Christmas is coming. What these women expect and what you do or do not do could make for interesting developments with either relationship going further. Many women do get a bit crazy about gifts, even if they haven't been in a relationship for awhile. I once read a Dec issue of Cosmo in a doctors waiting room that had a chart to "debunk" the gifts a new boyfriend gives at Christmas to determine if the relationship was going to go further. Women must really analyze all of this I guess.
@Hestia
Something else came to mind about your situation: Christmas is coming. What these women expect and what you do or do not do could make for interesting developments with either relationship going further. Many women do get a bit crazy about gifts, even if they haven't been in a relationship for awhile. I once read a Dec issue of Cosmo in a doctors waiting room that had a chart to "debunk" the gifts a new boyfriend gives at Christmas to determine if the relationship was going to go further. Women must really analyze all of this I guess.
This might be a good reason to dump both of them now. I'm fighting the urge to buy both of them expensive jewelry.
This might be a good reason to dump both of them now. I'm fighting the urge to buy both of them expensive jewelry.
Don't do it, PM/AFT. My husband and I have been married for nearly six years and he's never once bought me a piece of expensive jewelry as the industry is a special sort of evil in both of our minds. (Our wedding bands are titanium.) A woman "worth more than rubies" as the Bible would say won't require rubies to have her be part of your life.
If I'm remembering correctly, zed has some good thoughts on why men shouldn't support the jewelry industry if you have a moment of weakness and need such words. Or you could just watch a few of the misandric Christmas jewelry ads or consider the fact a diamond war is forever. Fight the urge!
"This might be a good reason to dump both of them now. I'm fighting the urge to buy both of them expensive jewelry."
Actually maybe buying jewelry is a good way to get them to to loose attraction for you, see you as such a great provider that the sex drys up.
However if you dump them both like a sack of potatoes, they'll be pining after you....then you can just text them you're horny?
First of all, thanks for linking to my blog. Secondly, I was told about three hours ago "Baby, if the sex gets any better, I may die. I cant take it!"
I thought that was cute.
Anyhoo, I've been in your situation, and I would say to keep banging both of them if it wasn't for the calendar. I always, and I mean ALWAYS end relationships before the first Holiday party, and don't find another one until after Valentines day. I take the thousands I would have spent and either go to Mexico or Europe for a vacation.
The only reason I'm keeping this one around is because she is by far the hottest little thing I've ever put my manhood in, and she's over a decade younger than me. I've also conditioned her to not expect too much from me financially.
I smell like cash (to a young girl...I barely make over 6 figures), so I think she's waiting it out.
Good luck. Keep them. Dump them. Keep only one...it doesn't matter. As long as you stay in control of the situation, you win!
Easy solution to Christmas presents: Give them Skittles!
See how they respond to that. If they are extremely bothered or offended, then you know that they expect too much from you (especially for a new relationship). If they are full of gratitude and have a completely positive attitude, then that also tells you a lot about what they value...
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