Sunday, October 18, 2009

Should I try this experiment?

I was reading this comment at The Spearhead (in reference to my most recent post there) which says:
The funny thing is that not so long ago I would have supported those women complaining about that Sci-Fi post, and totally. Things started to change when I realized that all the insults they used (loser, can’t get a date, blah blah blah) described me and my friends- the very same guys who stood up for them. In fact, I knew even back then that a lot of the guys saying things like Tech, or Roissy said, were getting the girls, and lots of them. That hurt me a lot- much more than I was willing to admit at the time.
Those of you who have read enough of my blog and writings elsewhere know that this isn't the case for me.  (Yes, I know he says guys "like" me so I don't know if he's saying that he thinks I get lots of chicks or that guys "like me" do.)  Regardless, it got me thinking.  A long time ago I realized after banging my head against the wall one too many times in dealing with women that they aren't worth it.  At that point I stopped bothering.  That was several years ago.

I only say that I'm a virgin when there's complete anonymity.  I don't tell anyone in real life so no one knows.  IRL lots of people think I do well with women.  I have never really cared to think why this is until now.  I have made sure that I have never been in absurd 40 year old virgin style situations which isn't difficult to do.

Lots of people believe that being a virgin beyond age X (where X could be 18, 22, etc.) means you're a total loser at life, either unemployed or working a minimum wage job, living in your parents basement.  I am living proof that this is not the case since I'm the opposite of all those things.  While I know this fact, lots of people believe otherwise.  In other words, since I don't announce the fact that I'm a virgin IRL, everything else someone knows about me IRL (since they most likely believe the myth about virgins) would lead them to believe I'm incredibly successful with women since I'm incredibly successful in the rest of my life.

So much of game is really effective masculinity.  Even long before I even heard of game I was practicing effective masculinity in my life.  This is one of the reasons why I have been so successful in other areas of my life (i.e. my career).  This is another reason why people IRL would assume I'm successful with women.  Lots of guys nowadays do not demonstrate effective masculinity, and I could tell you lots of examples of this.  If you're reading this blog, you probably can too from your own life.

This has made me curious.  Am I really a guy who is incredibly successful with women now who just doesn't know it because I don't care?  I'm undecided about running an experiment about this.  There's a reason why I get associated with being successful with women as long as I don't tell anyone the truth about this.  I'm curious, but at the same time why should I care?  Plus, if I do engage in this experiment, it feels like I'm selling out in the sense that I might be trying to prove all those morons who think I'm a loser, morbidly obese, and have a small dick (like all those hyperemotional girls who responded to my last post at The Spearhead) wrong.  As a MGHOW I don't worry about what they think and laugh at them.

I'm writing this blog entry in order to solicit some ideas from you, my readers.  First, should I try this experiment?  I'm interested in your reasons why I should or should not.  Second, I'm also interested in ideas about what the scope of this experiment should be.  For instance, picking up drunk women in bars does not actually test what I'm trying to test.  This experiment will also have to involve multiple women (not at the same time) since success or failure with one woman might just be a fluke.  How much LTR game will have to be involved?  I'm really interested in what others have to say about all these things too.

If you have an opinion on any of this respond in a comment or send me an email.

16 comments:

Grim said...

A friend of mine was a virgin till 29. Good looking guys, extremely betaish, grew up with mommy dominating him, but all in all a smart guy. He would hit on women but he would always end up being the beta bitch and not get laid. This really turned him off from dating.

I spent a couple of years passing on game tidbits, books, websites, ect. So he decided to go to Vegas and get laid. Less pressure in location farther away, women are always on the prowl there, and he could hit on girls who are not drunk bar bitches. He and other men don't want to pick up a girl that's drinking because they had it beat into them that's taking advantage of the girl. The truth is most girls get drunk to make it easier to get laid.

So he went out vegas and scored quite easily using basic amounts of game on non drunk girls. He's now working on his first regular girl back home and works and every girl her comes across. He describes it as more of a game now than anything else. Have a good time, pick up a bitch and enjoy life.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

I'm not going to go to Vegas or anything like that. That's not the point of this experiment. What I'm testing is if I can get chicks as I am right now because everyone (who has thought about it) IRL that knows me thinks so.

There is a point at which this experiment would end. I'm not interested in making my life all about getting laid.

Hestia said...

Am I really a guy who is incredibly successful with women now who just doesn't know it because I don't care?
This could be very possible. FWIW, I was naive, clueless, and shy before I met my husband and didn't have the faintest clue that there were several other guys who were interested in me. My dumbness was made even worse by the fact I wasn't interested in dating at that point in my life as chemistry was my love affair. I do realize my experience as a woman isn't the same as your experience as a man, but if you aren't looking, you could be missing signs, especially subtle ones.

Most of the women I know aren't very overt in letting a man know they are attracted to them and they certainly wouldn't make the first move. This reality likely misses in many people not meeting each other or even talking for a brief moment.

As far as selling out, isn't exploring your own curiosity on your own terms "going your own way"?

OneSTDV said...

I've read your blog occasionally, but I odn't know your whole background.

So, you simply just stopped trying to pick up women? You have given up trying to attract women?

You're content with pornographic material and hoping for sexbots in the near future?

How old are you and when did you simply quit? And, yes women can be difficult and capricious, but what convinced you it wasn't worth it at all?

Feel free to e-mail me a longer response or point me to a blog post if you'd like.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

As far as selling out, isn't exploring your own curiosity on your own terms "going your own way"?

All things being equal, yes. I guess I'm preparing for the onslaught of cries of, "hypocrite!" because this is coming soon after debates about whether virgins are total losers or not and my recent Spearhead article with the horde of hyperemotional girls with a 6th grade mentality calling me morbidly obese with a small penis.

But really, who cares? I have been denounced by Brent Spiner and a sci-fi author who I exposed as a coward. The people who will call me a hypocrite for this can go to the back of the line of everyone who wants my head. That is the real power of GYOW.

I'm going to have to run this experiment. I never thought in a million years that someone would include me in the same breath as roissy (even though I will never be like him for obvious reasons).

Ferdinand Bardamu said...

"I only say that I'm a virgin when there's complete anonymity...I have made sure that I have never been in absurd 40 year old virgin style situations which isn't difficult to do."

You're a virgin? Didn't know. I guess that explains this.

"First, should I try this experiment? I'm interested in your reasons why I should or should not."

Yes, you should. I don't rag on guys who choose the celibate life, but I respect the ones who chose that after having had experiences with women. Being able to get with girls is not the sum total of masculinity, but it is part of masculinity, and if nothing else, it changes your perspective on life. I can't describe it precisely, but learning game and getting this part of my life in order was a transformative experience. Even if you do decide to go back to celibacy, you'll be a much better man for having tried this out.

"Second, I'm also interested in ideas about what the scope of this experiment should be. For instance, picking up drunk women in bars does not actually test what I'm trying to test. This experiment will also have to involve multiple women (not at the same time) since success or failure with one woman might just be a fluke. How much LTR game will have to be involved? I'm really interested in what others have to say about all these things too."

What about sober women in bars? Ah, I jest. In order to determine your attractiveness to the opposite sex, you'll have to put yourself to the test in various scenarios. This includes one-night stands to flings to long-term relationships. You'll also want to try out with as many types of women as you can - barflies, good girls, foreigners, natives, whatever you can think of. While you probably won't be equally attractive to all women across the board, you will be able to find a niche that you can exploit. Given that everyone in real life thinks you are good with women, and you are aware of game and can figure out how to utilize it, this shouldn't be too hard for you.

I hope you go through with the experiment, dude. So few people are capable of making a change in their lives for the better that I can't help but respect the ones who do.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

OneSTDV,

I will email you a longer response tomorrow.

Yes, I simply stopped trying to pick up women. I gave up about senior year in college. I stopped for the same reason a person stops banging their head against a wall. Remember that I went to college in the late 90s. This was the time when the only MRA voice out there was Rod Van Mechlen if you know who he is.

What I had noticed then was that guys who were going after women and got them would turn into betas and herbs even though I didn't have those terms at the time. Even now I'm amazed at the amount of men I encounter who should know better have ended up like this.

It doesn't provide a compelling case for women. I'm not the only one now talking about sexbots, VR sex, and the like now. Someone else brought up the point that women could beat out these things since they can provide love. But they aren't doing that so what's the difference?

There's various other things that I will tell you about in my email.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

FB,

I thought you were aware of the fact that I was a virgin. Regardless, that's what happens to me IRL. I don't exude the stereotypical signs of being a virgin. (I'm doubt that most virgins do.) The 40 year old virgin movie is fiction for a reason.

What I'm trying to do with this experiment is answer a question, specifically is the way I get interpreted by others as being successful with women reflect a reality of being successful with women I wasn't aware of. I don't see how this is going be a transformative experience or change my perspective on life (unless you mean I will find a way to lower my opinion of most women lower than it already is).

I don't see how this is going to change my life for the better except to satisfy my curiosity. That's a good enough reason, and considering the responses I have gotten, I'm going to do it. At the same time I'm not going to forget this is an experiment. It's not about getting laid.

LILGRL said...

Interesting. I do think you should try the experiment in real life, because while I don't have any problem with virgins (and I don't think you're crazy/ugly/weird/creepy/whatever because of it), it's very hard to take a man who has no experience with women and has effectively "given up on it" seriously when it comes to matters that involve the male-female relationship. I don't think you come off as a virgin, and I know many people who are virgins who don't come off as "virgins" in real life. I'm sure it's not an issue. However, do you see what I'm saying?

It's kind of like the very laughable lesbian feminists. obviously they're going to fight for a cause that involves men not existing, because they don't have any interest in, or investment in, men. if you don't have any investment in, or experience with, women, then that will obviously tint all of your posts about women. it doesn't matter if you're a virgin by choice or not (though it sounds like you're a virgin by choice), your writings about the male-female dynamic will be tinted by this very important facet.

Epoxytocin No. 87 said...

@ LIL
if you don't have any investment in, or experience with, women, then that will obviously tint all of your posts about women.

Not necessarily true. Although you are, in general, admirably good at appreciating the differences between the sexes, here you are projecting a female frame onto a man's thoughts.

Viz.:
the very laughable lesbian feminists. obviously they're going to fight for a cause that involves men not existing, because they don't have any interest in, or investment in, men.

You're assuming that lack of vested interest in X --> desire to eliminate X. This is a totally female slant, and your attempt to apply it to the male perspective won't fly.
For instance, many if not most females would be complicit in doing away with beta/omega males, while essentially NO man, even the celibate ones, would feel likewise about women unless he had been seriously victimized by them.

In short, a man uninvested in women is a thousand times more likely to have a decently fair perspective than is a woman uninvested in men.

But, yes, I'm with you on the main point: gathering experience is a good thing.

Collect them all!

jm_kaye said...

You don't know me, but I think you should try it.

LILGRL said...

Epoxy.

Wo, I have many things to say to that. I was not implying that PMAFT wants to rid the world of women. I made an analogy about how one's experiences affect one's views of the world. Did I say "If you have no experience with women, you will want to eliminate women, the way that women who have no use for men want to eliminate men."

No.

In short, a man uninvested in women is a thousand times more likely to have a decently fair perspective than is a woman uninvested in men.

Well, okay, maybe if we're talking about which sex to eliminate. But we're not. Let me make a better analogy.

He who has had no sex, talking about dynamics between the sexes...is like me, who has never done drugs, talking about the effect of drugs on lives. Not saying it isn't potentially useful information, am definitely saying it would hold more MORE MORE weight if I was cokin' up every evening.

For instance, many if not most females would be complicit in doing away with beta/omega males, while essentially NO man, even the celibate ones, would feel likewise about women unless he had been seriously victimized by them.

Nice. I would say no to this, as well. I think you're forgetting that the females you know are not "many" or "most" females. I'm dead serious about this. As I was saying before, the issue with things like women in leadership roles is that they are not as logical/rational as men. Ugh, this is just going to be long and obnoxious, so I guess I'll take it up with you in person.

OneSTDV said...

@ Pro-Male...:

You use a sex doll or just pornography right now?

Maybe this is a little personal, so feel free to refrain from commenting. But I'm very intrigued by your stance. I've never actually heard it before. Most in the PUA/Game/MRA community agree concerning women's attitudes, but they use Game to turn the tables.

D said...

Don't try.
Be single, be happy.
Woman will ruin your life and health.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, I simply stopped trying to pick up women. I gave up about senior year in college. I stopped for the same reason a person stops banging their head against a wall."

There are lot's of things people are still shitty at even after 4 years of college, but that's no reason to give up and draw negative conclusions about not only women, but yourself as well. Dealing with women is a skill, and skills take time to master, longer for some people than others.

Too bad Rod Van Mechelen was an early influence for you. That guy has a serious case of Aspergers and for all his opinions about women, he has no clue that his problems in that department probably have more to do with his own lack of social skills than anything else.

I wish people would just own up to their own shortcomings, rather than just cop out and blame the opposite sex.

Anonymous said...

The feminists who are whining about this blog are hypocrites. They claim to care about equality, but in reality they only care about promoting women at the expense of men.

It's time for men to demand their rights.

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