Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Triangulation and moral equivalence

Two tactics that get used against the MRM and MGTOW are triangulation (which Bill Clinton is famous for) and moral equivalence. Triangulation is when someone presents their views above left or right sides of the political spectrum (since its used usually in politics). This is also can and has been used by someone who is trying to discredit the MRM and MGTOW. A person doing that will claim that the MRM and MGTOW hate women just like the feminists hate men and thus claim themselves to be "above" it all. Someone who engages in this tactic is also engaging in moral equivalence because they are also claiming that both sides are equally guilty of bad behavior. Both of these claims are total lies.

What feminists have done over the last 40 years is declare total war against men. Feminists have taken control of various arms of government such as the judiciary, public schools, etc. to oppress men. Given the socialist nature of feminism this is natural for them. For the last 40 years feminists have allowed women to make false rape accusations, to divorce on a whim and take everything a man has, to take his children away, to make false sexual harassment accusations, etc. This list of ways that feminists have allowed women to use government power to oppress men goes on and on.

There is no equivalent among the MRM and MGTOW. In fact the very nature of MGTOW precludes this since its men GOING THEIR OWN WAY. There are people who will claim that men will do the same things women are doing now once feminism is overthrown. That is false because of the libertarian nature of the MRM and MGTOW. (Not all members of the MRM and MGTOW are libertarians but there is a general consensus that government is too powerful and large. There are very few socialists in the MRM and probably none GTOW. Nearly all would agree with the view that if nothing else libertarianism is a vector, as in we need to move in the direction of less government.) Knowing this how are men going to do the same things women are doing to men now? It's impossible because there won't be big powerful government.

Therefore the purpose of using triangulation and moral equivalence is just to bring down the MRM and MGTOW to the level of the feminists. The difference between feminism and the MRM/MGTOW is so stark that lies like this have to be used because the MRM and MGTOW are clearly morally and ethically superior since the MRM and MGTOW don't believe in big powerful government.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very concise, and reasonable, though I can guess many who are guilty of this practice do so because maybe they really were the .01% that didn't go along feminism, and they don't want another group controlling them without the ability to counter.

Though, what I think is REALLY the reason is that it could be projection of some sort. Not necessarily SELF-projection, though in many instances the case can be made, it's definetly an assumption that we'll match our foe point for point in terms of how we do things, one that I don't believe we have to worry about, given what you've said and the nature of things.

They sure "take the wind out of our sails" though, eh? Some of us finally find some sort of passion and then retaliation somehow becomes wrong.

Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech said...

Very concise, and reasonable, though I can guess many who are guilty of this practice do so because maybe they really were the .01% that didn't go along feminism, and they don't want another group controlling them without the ability to counter.

Possibly, but as the libertarian nature of the MRM and MGTOW proves that this isn't an issue. That is unless they consider not getting government cheese, "controlling them" which many of them probably do.

They sure "take the wind out of our sails" though, eh? Some of us finally find some sort of passion and then retaliation somehow becomes wrong.

And that's the entire point of using triangulation and moral equivalence. They are trying to pull down the MRM and MGTOW to the same level as feminists. But as I have shown any attempt to make the MRM and MGTOW the male equivalent of feminism is nothing but lies.

Mrs. Amy @ Clothesline Alley said...

The libertarian nature of MGTOW and MRM also allows for room for the ideas of men from all different walks of life to be brought to the table in a way feminism, with it's big government political agenda never could. For the tyranny of feminism to have taken hold of this culture as well as it has, the need for agreement on key issues and ways to "correct" the supposed "oppression of the patriarchy" couldn't allow for robust dialogue, full of the iron sharpening that can only come when many different ideas and experiences are part of the debate, for a diversity of ideas and their meaningful exchange is the recipe for liberty, not the opposite nightmare we have now. MGTOW and MRM do allow this diversity to flourish, however, as can so well be seen through the variety of thoughts that are debated, considered, and written about on blogs. Taking a e-stroll through the feminist blogosphere would not yield anything but the usual complaints and recycled ideas.

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